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Chapters 20-27 are covered. Spoilers are having a party below!
1. We seem to be getting more and more proof that there is some ”luck” or magic at play when it comes to Kaladin’s safety, survival and his skills – especially during those battle scenes. Even when performing that Kata in the Chasm, there was something incredible about his movements according to the rest of the crew. Initially the blade seemed to be the source of his skills (to me at least) , what do you think might be fueling his powers? Do you think they’re getting stronger?
Since this is a reread for me, I remember the answer to this question. So, let me just go on about how awesome Kaladin is and I am looking forward to more of his awesomeness as we move forward in the book. Last week, a few people touched on the drained spheres as a potential source for Kaladin’s abilities. So, keep that in mind.
2. We were introduced to Navani, King Gavilar’s widow and the current King Elhokar’s mother. What was your initial impression of her? There seems to be some complicated history between her and Dalinar, do you think she might end up being an ally or an eventual hindrance?
She’s seems to be a respected and formidable woman. However, there were some references to her openly toying with Gavilar and Dalinar before eventually deciding which brother she wanted in marriage. I don’t really like that aspect of her. And I have the sense that she is toying with him again, even if only slightly. Dalinar is the kind of guy who would feel awkward looking at a dead third cousin’s wife askance, let a lone his brother’s wife. I think she knows this.
I totally forget her subplot. So I am going to say that unless Dalinar is furthering her or her son’s power within the kingdom, then she will be a hindrance. She does seem to enjoy her power. With cream and strawberries on top.
3. What did you make of Sadeas’ maneuver against Dalinar to gain the King’s favor by being named the High Prince of Information? How do you reconcile his actions with the advice Dalinar received ”to trust” Sadeas?
Well, Dalinar put his trust in his vision and approached Sadeas about uniting, and then the King about naming a High Prince of War, but it was deemed too soon and inappropriate at this time. And then the King names Sadeas High Prince of Info. I think this was underhanded by Sadeas, who proposed the idea, but also by the King because it undercuts not only one of his High Princes but also his uncle (all in one person).
I worry that it would be too easy to lay false tracks pointing to Dalinar or his household as the reason for the strap being cut. Because of the King’s announcement, the entirety of the war camps know that Dalinar and his camp are being questioned. It would be so, so easy to frame him for something and Sadeas is such an egotrip he would be easy to lead.
4. Where you surprised when Rock admitted to Kaladin that he was seemingly born being able to see the Spren and therefore could see Syl following Kaladin around? That led to a pivotal point for Kaladin, gaining Rock’s favor and then Teft’s. What were your thoughts on that whole scene? Can you speculate as to why some people are able to see the spren when others can not?
Well, we need to meet some other Horn Eaters so that we can see if some or all Horn Eaters can see Spren so easily. But Syl seems to like him and he treats her with reverence, so I think this is a good thing. Perhaps if you treat something with reverence, even just politeness, you are more likely to see it? It seems that nearly everyone else treats Spren dismissively. Even Kaladin did before Syl kept messing with him.
I thought it was a lot of fun watching Syl lead Rock around to the weeds….and the occasional dung pile. Such simple jokes, but so well placed in the narrative that I laughed out loud.
5. We got to see Adolin confront his father Dalinar because of his visions and lay all his cards on the table. Clearly Adolin thinks his father is losing it and his words seemed to shake Dalinar’s own convictions as well. Do you think this will have a lasting effect on Dalinar’s belief in his visions? Not to mention his acting on them? Moreover, do you think Adolin will ever be convinced that there is more to Dalinar’s visions any time soon?
I know, I should remember how this plays out. But I don’t. I think there will be further strife between Dalinar and his sons, and some of it will be over his visions and his ‘obsession’ with the old ways. But also, he promised Renarin the next set of Shardplate, but then he also promised the very next one to that other High Prince. If that falls out like that, I think Renarin will be hurt and Dalinar’s word to his sons might not mean as much. Also, Adolin had to assist Dalinar in the middle of the gemheart battle, and Adolin might chalk this up to the heat of the battle and slipping, or he might question it.
And once Dalinar starts to see his own family falling apart, I think he will question the visions, his obsession in the old ways, and finally, his sanity. Dalinar, I am afraid, is in for a rough time of it.
6. As if in further indication of Dalinar and Kaladin’s collision course towards one another, Dalinar has agreed to train a bridge crew – without putting them directly into assault or harm’s way. Do you think their joined efforts might be enough to change the way the the other High Princes go about things during battle? Especially Sadeas?
I do remember a little bit about this and I will say that it is going to be messy. Yep, very messy. Nothing can be simple and easy, like having the two most honorable people join forces, solve all the riddles, and put the bad guys out of their misery, or at least send them home without rewards.
I thought it was fascinating that there was male and female food, and never shall the twain meet. Though this is so for some Asian foods, right? Educate me folks. Still, fascinating.
I worry that this latest rub between Dalinar and Sadeas will be too much for Dalinar’s sons and that one or both of them will do something stupid. Anyone else worried?
I get a kick out of Syl walking around the apothecary’s head, his counter, on Kaladin’s shoulder.
Kaladin, Rock, & Teft telling stories by sap. Ah, male bonding. So cute.
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