Naamah's Kiss Part V

Clementine being cute.
Clementine being cute.

The read along continues with Naamah’s Kiss, Book 1 of Moirin’s trilogy! Everyone is welcome to join in. Here is the SCHEDULE for the read along.

This week, I am your host. Sorry for posting late – I started the New Year off with a cold and my blogging has been off and on this past week. We’re covering Chapters 49-60, so be prepared for spoilers below!

1) Moirin and the Circle do one final summoning. What did you think of Folkolor’s choices in who to spare or not? King Daniel also has to make some choices in who to punish or not – do you think he was fair? Is he correct in that he should have given his people something greater to strive for?

It was very interesting that Folkolor spared those who were in it for love of one kind or another – love of the art or metallurgy, etc. I think Elua’s grace must have been holding Folkolor back… or perhaps that demon of so long ago that Imri & Sidonie freed must have warned the spirit realm of meddling with D’Angelines when it comes to love.

I think King Daniel had his hands tied by the law. He admitted that they broke no law so really he could only punish the poet by relieving her of her royal job. I do think Raphael needs some punishing but I’m not sure whose role it is to do so.

And, yes, I do think King Daniel could be giving his people something bigger to look up to or out towards. They could be exploring Terra Nova or the night skies or archaeological digs in distant deserts. It’s not too late for him to set that in motion.

2) Master Lo is summoned home to Ch’in to do what he can for the Emperor’s daughter Snow Tiger. What do you think of her ailment? What role, if any, do you expect Moirin to play in healing her?

I really don’t recall how this plays out. Perhaps Moirin is just there to learn for future dealings with the possessed (as there have been a few hints now that perhaps Raphael is possessed by Folkolor). Perhaps the D’Angeline snow drops can be made into a demon-battling tonic and not just an aphrodisiac. Perhaps Moirin will be able to call the twilight and see what kind of demon possesses Snow Tiger (since she saw all the Circle’s demons differently than they did) and that info will be of great use to Master Lo.

3) We learn more about Bao’s past. Do you like him any more or any less now? We also hear some amazing things about Master Lo. Do you think any of them are true?

Bao is definitely a more complex character. He did walk away from committing a horrible crime against a kid but he also didn’t do anything to protect that kid from the next asshole to come along who would take advantage of the situation. I love how he sees to Master Lo’s needs and I like how attentive he is to the ladies.

Master Lo is certainly old but I don’t think he’s 170 years old. It will be interesting to see him at the Ch’in court and see what others have to say about him.

4) During the lengthy voyage, Moirin has language lessons, learns a bit about the Ch’in religions, and enjoys Bao’s attentions. What stood out for you?

I loved the bit about how to properly pronounce Bao’s name. I can only imagine how it must sound in his head when some D’Angeline used his name and yet had it just a smidge off so they were addressing him as Womb.

I thought it was amusing how the other ladies wanted to give Moirin a make over and also how Bao approved her politely turning them down.

The story of the Yama Kings was intriguing. It makes me want to go learn more about Ch’in afterlives.

5) They finally make land right into the middle of a civil war. What do you think about Black Sleeve? What do you think his relationship to Master Lo is?

It was all very exciting and rushed, wasn’t it? I loved the Bag of Wind and the beautiful cloudy fabric they unfurled. I’m not sure yet what to make of Black Sleeve. On one hand, he sounds pretty ruthless and Bao and Master Lo definitely fear him and respect the power of his canon. But on the other hand, their own Emperor’s guards were rather ruthless in abandoning the ships and all those who didn’t have horses to flee with them. Still, perhaps there really wasn’t anything else that could have been done there.

Master Lo said Black Sleeve wasn’t his pupil so perhaps a relative? Perhaps they both trained under the same master at one point (Lo when he was younger and Black Sleeve more recently)? I really forget what their connection is.

Other Tidbts:

The Lady of Marsilikos wasn’t very nice or fair, now was she? Now that we’ve left D’Angeline shores, I really feel this Terre D’Ange is different from the gracious one that existed during Phedre’s time. It had it’s flaws, but I feel this current D’Angeline culture is a little high and mighty, a little in love with gossip, and a bit self-absorbed.

I love that Moirin is hesitant to pray to a deity not her own. Phedre was always willing to pay respects to any deity she may have come across but I like that Moirin is different in this regard. Also, her hesitancy isn’t out of some vain idea that her deities are better, but simply because they have claimed her as their own and she doesn’t want to offend anyone, her deities or someone else’s.

And here is the current list of participators:
Allie at Tethyan Books
Lynn at Lynn’s Book Blog
Grace at Books Without Any Pictures
Susan (me) at Dab of Darkness

We also have a Goodreads Group started for SF/F Read Alongs in general, and there is a specific folder for this read along. You are welcome to follow the fun there as well. If you want to be on the weekly email, just leave me a comment or shoot me an email with NAAMAH’S KISS in the subject (nrlymrtl@gmail.com).

Naamah's Kiss Part IV

Clementine being cute.
Clementine being cute.

The read along continues with Naamah’s Kiss, Book 1 of Moirin’s trilogy! Everyone is welcome to join in. Here is the SCHEDULE for the read along.

This week, Allie at Tethyan Books is our host. We’re covering Chapters 37-48, so be prepared for spoilers below!

1) The Circle of Shalomon still moves forward, despite the spirits’ tricks and the drain on Moirin. Do you think there is any deeper intent behind the gift Moirin receives, and the kindness of the spirits to her? Do you have any thoughts on how the gift might be involved with her destiny?

I really don’t recall where this demon-summoning business goes. I think Moirin has been respectful and that counts for something with the demons since it seems the Circle has been rather rude to them. It really shows that being polite doesn’t hurt and can sometimes save you a bit of pain.

As to how it might relate to her destiny, well that’s still hidden, right? And the charm is to reveal hidden things. Perhaps she won’t be able to figure it out herself, even with the hot/cold flaring of her inner Bear.

2) Moirin’s gift puts her in a difficult position, where wanting to help people could eventually kill her. Do you think you would be able to refuse the healing and/or the summoning if you were in Moirin’s place?

Tough question. She’s in a foreign land, and while she does have her own funds, she is still trying to get her feet under her. I would definitely have trouble refusing the healing gifts, but the summoning is another thing entirely. No one else in the Circle seems to be drained like Moirin is and it’s very disappointing that they don’t really acknowledge that effort. Plus they are dealing with tricky spirits that have their own motivations, motivations that the Circle certainly doesn’t understand.

3) Phanuel returns! Do you have any new thoughts about him on his second visit? Later, when he is ill, do you think he would have agreed for Moirin to take such a risk (including her bargain to Raphael) to heal him?

Phanuel is such a steady, good influence on Moirin. He’s accepting but also gentle in pointing out areas that she perhaps needs to give more attention to.

No, I don’t think he would have agreed for Moirin to take such a risk, nor would he have agreed on the bargain she made with Raphael. But, honestly, it’s Raphael I want to smack! He totally guilted Moirin into giving more and more and then he blamed her for his embarrassment with the court, when that was all his doing.

4) Were you surprised when Jehanne is finally the one to rescue Moirin from being bled dry? Do you trust her motivations? On the other side, what do you think about how Raphael and Thierry handled her being rescued from them?

Turns out Jehanne has more layers than I recalled. I think she was genuinely concerned for Moirin. She is fond of her. The fact that she basically brought the garden to her rooms to assist in healing her showed compassion and caring.

And yet… Do I trust her? No. She has been living a life full of double meanings and twisting words to suit herself. She has been the center of attention for so long. I think it’s hard for her to give that up because it has been her source of power (and stability) for so long.

Raphael was a right ass as I said above in a previous question. Thierry, well, he was a little bit of an ass as well, but I think his apology was sincere and he and Moirin will be good friends.

5) Do you think Moirin is a good Queen’s Companion? What do you think of her influence on Jehanne, and has your perspective of Jehanne and the complicated love polygon changed?

I thin kMoirin is doing the best that she can. She’s young and this is a new job to her entirely. They don’t have Queen’s Companions where she’s from so even the concept is something rather new to her (unless she read about her great (X 4 or 5) grandmother Amarante). I do think she is a very good influence on Jehanne. My only concern is that Moirin is still learning the politics of the City of Elua and could possibly push Jehanne astray unknowingly in some matter.

Jehanne seems to be making a true effort at motherhood despite all her fears. I think it was good for her to open up to Moirin about her own mother and her fears.

6) We see another Longest Night! Did anything notable stick out to you this time? What did you think of the court festivities with respect to the Night Court?

I wish Moirin’s outfit was on the cover of the book. The black ravens and all. Sounds so lush! The Night Court afterwards was fun. I think it was wise of Thierry to refuse to go with them. It would be odd to see your stepmother and your former lover enjoying a bit of debauchery. I liked how Moirin summoned the Twilight and they basically had sex in a public place. Good for them!

Other Tidbts:

Lo Feng’s and Bao’s rolls weren’t very big in this section but I’m still enjoying them as characters. Feng seems to see more than he lets on and is obviously concerned for Moirin as well as Raphael.

I think King Daniel is being very reasonable about all this. I just hope that Jehanne keeps her promise, especially now that she’s gone through the open-your-womb rights. I don’t doubt that her current pregnancy is due to her time with King Daniel, but I worry about after the birth and down the road. Jehanne seems rather mercurial.

And here is the current list of participators:
Allie at Tethyan Books
Lynn at Lynn’s Book Blog
Grace at Books Without Any Pictures
Susan (me) at Dab of Darkness

We also have a Goodreads Group started for SF/F Read Alongs in general, and there is a specific folder for this read along. You are welcome to follow the fun there as well. If you want to be on the weekly email, just leave me a comment or shoot me an email with NAAMAH’S KISS in the subject (nrlymrtl@gmail.com).

Naamah's Kiss Part III

Clementine being cute.
Clementine being cute.

The read along continues with Naamah’s Kiss, Book 1 of Moirin’s trilogy! Everyone is welcome to join in. Here is the SCHEDULE for the read along.

This week, Grace at Books Without Any Pictures is our host. We’re covering Chapters 27-36, so be prepared for spoilers below!

1. What are your impressions of Queen Jehanne?

Wow! This lady has issues. She’s a bit of a control freak and she needs to be the center of attention. On the other hand, she does hold true to her vow to Naamah, even if she skirts the edge a little. So I think her service to Naamah must have given her something she desperately needed and that she cherishes. I’m guessing stability, purpose, and love.

2. Moirin has found herself in the middle of a sticky love triangle. How do you think it will play out?

I think Moirin will tired of it and be the bigger person. She will wish them well and walk away. Or, at least, I hope so. I really don’t recall how that love triangle ends.

3. Now that we finally get to meet Moirin’s father, what do you think of him?

Phanuel was great, wasn’t he? He was very accepting and curious about his daughter’s life. She was also curious about his life. I liked that there was this instant trust, and in Phanuel’s case, I don’t think it was misplaced (like it was with the Queen’s Poet and Jehanne herself).

4. The scene with the summoning of Valac seems to be a shift in tone from the rest of the series. Is the Circle in over its head? What do you think is happening here?

Here we have D’Angelines actively doing magic, and I don’t feel it is their strong suit. Obviously, the Circle isn’t too interested in listening to Moirin’s input. Also, I think there should be plenty of writings in the School of Magic about demons and their trickery, so I think these particular D’Angelines must also be on an ego trip.

5. What do you think of the descriptions so far of the Ch’in?

So far, we’ve had very little. We know there were Tartar raids in the past and we know that in at least some of the Ch’in cultures public affection is a no-no. I’ve never been much of a believer in chakras or chi, but I think these things definitely add to the Ch’in characters.

Other Tidbts:

That fox hunt was all the things about trophy/sport hunting that I don’t like. I’m a meat eater and I’ve raised and butchered my own goats and chickens. I have a lot of respect for hunters when they do so like Moirin (for sustenance).

I recall in the first trilogy when Phedre decided to re-enter Naamah’s service as a woman of the peerage, how it was such a scandal at the time. Now, it’s fairly common place.

And here is the current list of participators:
Allie at Tethyan Books
Lynn at Lynn’s Book Blog
Grace at Books Without Any Pictures
Susan (me) at Dab of Darkness

We also have a Goodreads Group started for SF/F Read Alongs in general, and there is a specific folder for this read along. You are welcome to follow the fun there as well. If you want to be on the weekly email, just leave me a comment or shoot me an email with NAAMAH’S KISS in the subject (nrlymrtl@gmail.com).

Naamah's Kiss Part II

Clementine being cute.
Clementine being cute.

The read along continues with Naamah’s Kiss, Book 1 of Moirin’s trilogy! Everyone is welcome to join in. Here is the SCHEDULE for the read along.

This week, I am your host. We’re covering Chapters 13-26, so be prepared for spoilers below!

1) How does one go about finding their destiny? Do you think Moirin is doing a good job of finding her’s? How did you find your own destiny, or have you?

I think one has to step outside their comfort zone to find their destiny. I think it’s rare for it to simply plop into someone’s lap and even if it did so, that person would have to grab it by the horns and master it it. So, with that in mind, I think Moirin is doing the right thing right now – leaving home and searching for her father.

However, on the other hand she seems to think her destiny is tied to a man. She checks with her inner voice each time she’s attracted to a man – like with Theo the cab driver, and the sailor boy, and finally with Raphael. I have only vague memories of this book, but I don’t think her destiny is tied solely to a man, so I look forward to her coming to that realization and looking beyond to something bigger.

I thought I had found my destiny, but this past year I have had to reevaluate all that since I have been rather ill and have had to give up most of my activities. Hopefully, that will all be different within a year’s time. Heck, maybe I have 2 destinies and I already fulfilled Destiny #1 and now I need to find Destiny #2.

2) Moirin is pretty uncomfortable within stone walls and cities in general. Have you ever found yourself in a similar position, whether in the forest or at sea or in a large city?

Yes, definitely. I have always lived in small cities. I think the largest was probably Clinton, Illinois in the mid 1980s. After college, my man and I went to New York to visit his sister for a week and that was quite the difference. I tried to overcome my uncomfortableness by being polite and friendly and a little outgoing with people, but mostly people just looked at me strangely.

I think Moirin is doing a better job than I did. She knows she has to get used to it if she is to be successful in her travels, but she also realizes that she has to do it in steps.

3) We continue to meet or hear about descendants of characters we met in the first 6 books. Who has caught your attention the most?

Oh! Definitely Amarante, who has turned out to be Moirin’s great time 3 or 4 grandmother on her father’s side. I think that’s awesome that we have these ties back to the first 2 trilogies, but they aren’t so much that folks just jumping into this series will be annoyed or lost by it.

4) The Maghuin Dhonn. The Tsingani. Do you see parallels between the two or how they are treated?

So far, it looks like the Tsingani are more accepted now than they were a few generations back. So I feel that the Maghuin Dhonn are currently in the same social acceptance place that the Tsingani were back in the the time of Phedre and Joscelin. I hope the Maghuin Dhonn do become as accepted and as successful as the Tsingani.

With that said, there’s obviously still the social snobbiness in Terre D’Ange culture. For instance, the Tsingani do tend to live in a specific section of the City of Elua, a bit removed from the rest of the folks. And, obviously, Moirin is seeing first hand how people react to her Maghhuin Dhonn heritage.

5) First impressions of the denizens of the City of Elua? Of Raphael de Mereliot?

The City of Elua seems a bit harsher towards outsiders in this series, but it might just be we are seeing it now, whereas the first 2 trilogies were told through the eyes of a native to the City. I like that Moirin gave the opinionated ladies she shared the cab ride with a second chance. In some ways, they meant well even if they had superiority complexes.

Raphael seems to have all sorts of ulterior motives. First, there is his spat with his lover, Queen Jehane. That just has DANGER all over it. Then he has some mysterious business going on that we’ve only seen hinted at so far. He does seem really interested in Moirin’s small magics.

6) Morin continues her hunt for her D’Angeline heritage. What do you expect from Phanuel, her father?

I really have forgotten how that turns out. Since Phanuel is a priest of Naamah, I expect he will be accepting of Moirin, but I really am not sure how much responsibility he will feel towards Moirin. After all, he has probably had a few dozen couplings and he may very well have fathered several children. Hopefully, we shall see how that falls out n the next section.

Other Tidbts:

I like that Moirin continues to talk to trees, but I also appreciate that she can’t do the same thing with sea creatures. J. Carey has done a great job of putting limits on Moirin’s magical abilities and so far is sticking to them.

Moirin really has no impulse control when it comes to calling the twilight and spying on people. I don’t think she means any harm by it and she does have this very curious nature. Plus, this was totally acceptable where she came from and was a survival technique. However, I do worry that it could get her in trouble.

Raphael’s loss of his parents was definitely sad. I think it’s good he is finally talking to someone about it, even if he is a bit surprised and defensive at first in doing so.

And here is the current list of participators:
Allie at Tethyan Books
Lisa at Over the Effing Rainbow
Lynn at Lynn’s Book Blog
Grace at Books Without Any Pictures
Susan (me) at Dab of Darkness

We also have a Goodreads Group started for SF/F Read Alongs in general, and there is a specific folder for this read along. You are welcome to follow the fun there as well. If you want to be on the weekly email, just leave me a comment or shoot me an email with NAAMAH’S KISS in the subject (nrlymrtl@gmail.com).