Naamah’s Curse Part V

The read along continues with Naamah’s Curse, Book 2 of Moirin’s trilogy! Everyone is welcome to join in. Here is the SCHEDULE for the read along.

This week, Lynn at Lynn’s Book Blog is our host. We’re covering Chapters 65-END, so be prepared for spoilers below!

What did you make of the mission to retrieve the black diamond and what do you actually make of the black diamond and whether it could be used for good?

It was great to see Amrita draw the line in the sand and say ‘This is enough!’ Of course, she had Bao who had the key to the labyrinthine way into the mountain keep. She also had Moirin to assist in taking out scouts and twilighting the power of the diamond. I think if any one of them hadn’t been available for this quest, it would have failed.

I was surprised how little the Falcon lord got to play in this. We learned very little about him and he died in the fighting. Seems he really doesn’t like pregnant women nor vagina that has seen a baby pass through it.

Much like the Lost Book of Raziel that Phedre ended up with or the knowledge of how to make a trapped demon that Imriel had, somethings are too powerful to use often or at all. I think this is one of those things.

The Spider Queen and Amrita – what were your final thoughts on both of them – did you have sympathy for Jagrati? Do you think Amrita can affect change in the caste system?

I think Jagrati needed sympathy many years ago, but no, I didn’t have sympathy for her now. She’s right in that the caste system is corrupt and often used as an excuse to treat other humans like garbage or slaves. However, instead of using her anger to better people, she used it to enslave others and enrich only herself.

I hope Amrita can make a lasting change. She is using small steps (she hasn’t abolished the caste system, merely given some basic rights to the lowest caste) and she’s getting plenty of resistance. However, she’s also leading by example like when she visits the slums and touches members of the ‘Untouchable’ caste. I hope these experiences bolster her new found beliefs and perhaps even show her further that poverty in and of itself doesn’t mean you’re paying for some past life’s sins.

Moirin and Bao – they’ve made peace with each other. Did you finally forgive Bao? Do you think they’ve reached an understanding that will work for them?

Yes, I think this will be a lasting bond. Moirin has been honest with herself and then with Bao, even if she was only fooling around in a dream with the dead Jehane.

Bao has done much to show that he truly cares for Moirin and I think seeing the caste system may have dampened his own need to ‘make a name’ for himself. He is worthy of Moirin and she of him. Royal titles aren’t needed to prove that.

Finally – any predictions for where the journey will take us next? Can you see a purpose in Moirin’s diadh-anam??

I haven’t read the third book as I have been saving it for something special, like this read along. I’m guessing we might make it over to the Americas with the third book. In the Terre D’Ange Cycle, the characters have taken us nearly everywhere in the world now, so we have the Americas, the Poles, and some islands (like Australia and such) left. Plus I’m guessing Moirin will have to make it back to Terre D’Ange to deal with some issue there and then finally home to see her mom.

 

Other Tidbits:

 

I’m glad to see the harem rescued and everyone who was it in found a home with Amrita and her people. I was a little sad that so many of them can’t return to their families because they are considered sullied.

It was interesting to see how shy Amrita’s people were about huddling in that horrible cold for warmth.

And here is the current list of participators:
Allie at Tethyan Books
Lynn at Lynn’s Book Blog
Grace at Books Without Any Pictures
Susan (me) at Dab of Darkness

We also have a Goodreads Group started for SF/F Read Alongs in general, and there is a specific folder for this read along. You are welcome to follow the fun there as well. If you want to be on the weekly email, just leave me a comment or shoot me an email with NAAMAH’S CURSE in the subject (nrlymrtl@gmail.com).

Naamah’s Curse Part IV

The read along continues with Naamah’s Curse, Book 2 of Moirin’s trilogy! Everyone is welcome to join in. Here is the SCHEDULE for the read along.

This week, Allie at Tethyan Books is our host. We’re covering Chapters 48-64, so be prepared for spoilers below!

 

1) Moirin makes some new friends on the way to Rasa. What do you think will come of her decision to entrust them with the jade medallion? Do you see this as a betrayal of trust or do you think the Emperor would understand?

I think that any time the Emperor sends a traveler away with one of his jade medallions, he knows it could well end up in the hands of others. Perhaps this is a unique way to bring outsiders into Chi’in, providing them safe conduct. I bet he or his guards stationed around the country get to meet lots of random people this way.

I expect Moirin made the right choice in giving up the medallion to get one step closer to Bao and that these traders will do something worthy with it.

2) On her way to the Lady of Rats, Moirin ends up in a dangerous caravan. What are your thoughts on what happened, both with the assault and the illness?

Well, we all knew that the caravan leader was a shifty guy since everyone was concerned about Moirin traveling with his caravan, including herself. So the attempted assault doesn’t come as a surprise… tho I was a bit surprised that Moirin wasn’t really prepared for it. She did well and didn’t complain about losing all the little niceties she had become accustomed to. Later on, she seeks his counsel briefly but I felt that was quite awkward. Still, she needed as much info as she could get. And yet I feel the caravan leader deserved more punishment. He won’t try that again with Moirin but he will with the next woman who catches his eye and isn’t under someone else’s protection.

Sounds like she had some altitude sickness and that lead into some lung infection, perhaps pneumonia.

3) Is seems that caste/class is going to be a major point in this story. Even if Amrita agrees that the caste system may not be just, do you think there’s anything that she and Moirin can do about it? Do you see any path to happiness for Jagrati and/or do you think she deserves to be defeated?

I think Moirin is the spark to start the change of how the caste system is handled (and I suspect abused by some). I doubt the caste system will be done away with in Moirin’s lifetime. The caste system as presented here is too rigid and doesn’t allow for any mobility and keeps a chunk of the population locked into servitude of the lowest kind. It definitely needs reforming and in an ideal world, I would want it gone entirely. Moirin is right when she says that barring the lowest caste from their gods is cruel. I hope Amrita can come to see this and start to make some changes, setting the example herself.

Well, Jagrati was poorly treated, as so many are who are born into a low caste. That should be acknowledged but that doesn’t mean Jagrati gets away with all the naughty things she’s done. Her anger and frustration are a product of the caste system; what actions she took because of those emotions are her responsibility.

4) There is a lot of passion in Kushiel’s Legacy, but the sex scene in this section doesn’t involve much. Given all of the focus on “love as thou wilt”, what do you think about Amrita’s gift and it’s acceptance by Naamah? What do you think about the idea of sex without desire, but for compassionate purposes?

It’s interesting that we have a pity fuck thrown in here, isn’t it? It’s very nicely done, with both participants caring for each other even if Amrita has no passion for it. Compassion is a form of love and Amrita is compassion personified. That’s why she can be so accepting of Naamah’s presence even as she feels no true desire for Moirin. Carey does a great job of showing one more side to Naamah with this coupling.

5) Bao returns! I think we were all a little irritated with him for his Tatar adventures. Do his actions here change your opinion of him? Do you think he has escaped Jagrati’s diamond for good?

I think Moirin should have yelled at him in frustration and called him ‘Stupid Boy!’ during the first meeting. Even with Jagrati there, that stood a good chance of getting through to him. As it was, it was pretty amusing how he suddenly realizes it really is her and then passes out from illness.

Obviously, he went off seeking her and his heart was broken when he thought she died. So, yeah, I like the guy once again even if he’s still a bit thick skulled. He’s finally figured out what he wants and he wants Moirin.

No, I don’t think he’s fully free of Jagrati’s influence but the only way to test that is to put Bao in front of Jagrati and her diamond once again. For now, he has to shake off the opium, which will be a big enough challenge.

Other Tidbits:

Amrita’s son Javindra (spelling?) seems like a bright lad that will be able to lead his people one day.

Chess! Yay!

A temple full of rats. Hmm… so who cleans the temple if the lowest caste isn’t allowed in?

 

And here is the current list of participators:
Allie at Tethyan Books
Lynn at Lynn’s Book Blog
Grace at Books Without Any Pictures
Susan (me) at Dab of Darkness

We also have a Goodreads Group started for SF/F Read Alongs in general, and there is a specific folder for this read along. You are welcome to follow the fun there as well. If you want to be on the weekly email, just leave me a comment or shoot me an email with NAAMAH’S CURSE in the subject (nrlymrtl@gmail.com).