Kushiel’s Chosen Read Along – The Schedule

Tofu kitty with a very good book.

Tofu kitty with a very good book.

The Terre D’Ange Cycle by Jacqueline Carey (of which Kushiel’s Chosen is Book 2) is one of my all time favorite series. The red along continues! Book 1 was so much fun and I am ever so glad so many folks wanted to continue with Book 2.

Here is the current schedule:
Week 1: August 2, Chpts. 1-14, hosted by FaeStruck Review
Week 2: August 16, Chpts. 15-26, hosted by Books Without Any Pictures
Week 3: August 23, Chpts. 27-36, hosted by Tethyan Books
Week 4: August 30, Chpts. 37-49, hosted by Over the Effing Rainbow
Week 5: September 6, Chpts. 50-61, hosted by Dab of Darkness
Week 6: September 13, Chpts. 62-72, hosted by Lynn’s Book Blog
Week 7: September 20, Chpts. 73-END, hosted by Emma Wolf

And here is the current list of participators:
Allie at Tethyan Books
Lisa at Over the Effing Rainbow
Lynn at Lynn’s Book Blog
Grace at Books Without Any Pictures
Nancy at FaeStruck’s Reviews & More
James at James T. Witherspoon
Emily at Emma Wolf
Susan (me) at Dab of Darkness

As always, folks are welcome to jump in and join us. You don’t have to be a host or a blogger. You can always choose the easy route and tackle the weekly discussion in the comments of the hosting blog. We also have a Goodreads Group started for SF/F Read Alongs in general, and there is a specific folder for this read along. You are welcome to follow the fun there as well. If you want to be on the weekly email, just leave me a comment or shoot me an email with KUSHIEL’S CHOSEN in the subject (nrlymrtl@gmail.com).

Kushiel’s Dart – Part X

Heldig and a very good book

Heldig and a very good book

Hello everyone! Welcome to the read along of Jacqueline Carey‘s Kushiel’s Dart. You can find the schedule HERE. Anyone and everyone is welcome to join in. We also have a Goodreads group for SF/F read alongs. Folks are always welcome to join us. This is the last week, but no worries. We are planning a read along for Book 2. Stay tuned for details. 

This week, Lisa at Over the Effing Rainbow is your host this week. Leave a link to your post in the comments so we can all visit you. Folks are also most welcome to answer any and all questions in the comments and join in the conversation.

Chapters 84-END are covered below. If you haven’t read the book, there will be spoilers for these chapters.

1.  Isidore d’Aiglemort comes back into play for the battle against the Skaldi, and Phedre takes a huge risk to turn him from an enemy back into an ally – to a point, at least. And d’Aiglemort’s one demand is to have Waldemar Selig left to himself on the battlefield… What were your thoughts on Terre d’Ange’s unlikely hero, when all the dust settled?

Carey does an excellent job of showing how human the bad guys are and d’Aiglemort is an excellent example. Using the Skaldi to put the realm in his and Melisande’s hands – sure, why not? But let the Skaldi invade willy nilly and take the country for their own? Hell no! I really like that d’Aiglemort reacts very humanely to being betrayed by both Melisande and Selig.

It is very fitting that he died protecting the realm, even if his reasons were somewhat selfish. I am sure his various family members will appreciate his final sacrifice simply because it lessens the chances that they too will suffer being outcast or stripped of lands.

2.  After the war, we get a wedding! Ysandre and Drustan survive to unite their people after all. Did you think they’d both get this far, and do you have any thoughts on how this union (political, romantic, or both) might turn out?

When I first read this book, I was truly worried for Drustan. I thought he might die a hero’s death in the war or that the D’Angelines would finally object to the union for some asinine reason. So I am very glad these two got to unite in marriage.

Since I have read the rest of the trilogy and the 2nd trilogy, I know how this plays out. I will say that some D’Angelines take better to the union and trade, etc. than others.

3.  Melisande is finally discovered, and brought before the Queen to be punished for her treason. Though, of course it’s not as simple as that with her… Were you surprised at all when she escaped? And do you have any ideas about who might have aided her?

When I first read this book, I didn’t know there was a Book 2 out there. So I totally expected Melisande to be executed. Also, I remember putting a lot of thought into who could have aided her while I waited for Book 2 to come in the mail. Several of the Shahrizai clan came with her when she was turned over to the queen, so I suspected that one or more of them pretended to be servants and were responsible for her escape.

4.  Ysandre and Drustan aren’t the only ones to get their happy ending – well, up to a point, anyway. Phedre and Joscelin try on the quiet country life, and it goes well for a while… Once again Phedre is unable to forget, or be forgotten by, Melisande – wherever she is. Do you think Phedre will return to her old life, as we leave her contemplating? If so, is her choice the right one?

There was no doubt in my mind that Phedre would in some way (whether via a straight route or some round about happenstance) return to the life of espionage and political intrigue. After all, there’s all these other books in the series.

And Melisande is not a foe who will quietly go raise grapes and eat dolmas for the rest of her life in Caerdicca Unitas. So, yes, Phedre has to instrumental in bringing her down. Otherwise, she is a constant threat simply because she sees it as a challenge.

Other Tidbits

I have to say Phedre’s night crawl across the Skaldi camp was nerve wracking, even though I have read his book several times. I always get the chills at this part of the book. Then Waldemar catches her and starts skinning her and luckily Joscelin stepped in and provided such a magnificent distraction! Finally, Barquiel riding out in his Khebbel-im-Akkad attire to sweep them up into safety and leave the Skaldi eating dust as they race back into safety! Ah! Magnificent scene after magnificent scene!

When Phedre was being skinned, she has this moment of, dare I say, ecstasy when she feels Kushiel’s presence enfolding her and it felt so good to let it all go. I think this is a good indication that Elua and his companions are real and have pull over their chosen scions.

When Joscelin spotted his brother in the thick of battle and Phedre told him she loves him and if he ever wanted to hear those words again he would go help his brother, I just about melted. She was struggling so much with her feelings for Joscelin and I love how they tumble out and also give Joscelin what he needs to be able to go help his family.

Phedre is now a Peer of the Realm! That means she gets a title, right? And she no longer is required to bow to everyone, right? As an American, I am not sure what that means other than a cozy country house.

 

Participating Bloggers:

Celine at Nyx Book Reviews
Jenn at Morrison Girl
Kheya at Not Food Porn
Susan (me) at Dab of Darkness

Kushiel’s Dart – Part IX

Heldig and a very good book

Heldig and a very good book

Hello everyone! Welcome to the read along of Jacqueline Carey‘s Kushiel’s Dart. You can find the schedule HERE. Anyone and everyone is welcome to join in. We also have a Goodreads group for SF/F read alongs. Folks are always welcome to join us.

This week, Emma at EmmaMaree.com is your host this week. Leave a link to your post in the comments so we can all visit you. Folks are also most welcome to answer any and all questions in the comments and join in the conversation.

Sorry for posting late. I was out of state over the weekend and returned really late last night.

Chapters 74-83 are covered below. If you haven’t read the book, there will be spoilers for these chapters.

1) Hyacinthe being trapped on the isle is a particularly cruel punishment for the people-loving Prince of Travellers. If you had his choice – a cutthroat life back in Night’s Doorstep, surrounded by friends and adventures, or a lonely but safe and privileged life on the island – which would you choose, and why?

I would go with the island life. After all, there are other people. I wouldn’t treat them as slavish servants, as the current Master of the Straights does. Think of all the book reading time I would have! And I bet I could learn to do some ocean archaeology with my new powers. And, if the D’Angelines win their war and Drustan & Ysandre wed, then the curse will be lifted and the waters clear. That means Hyacinthe, or myself if I was stuck out there, could have visitors, right? I would ask them to bring goats as they would provide companionship, milk, and meat.

2) Phedre remarks that the island people are truly human, and very different from d’Angelines with god blood in the veins. Through the story, the lines between myth and reality have become steadily blurrier: the gods are gone but they’ve left a kind of magic behind, and faces can rise up from the ocean. Is Phedre’s conceit just a form of Terra d’Ange vanity, or do you think there’s really something inhuman about the d’Angelines?

This line stays somewhat blurry for most of the series. I  believe there is gods’ blood in the veins of the D’Angelines. Some of Phedre’s deeds, especially later in the series, really testifies to that.

Yet, again, here we see that she prizes D’Angeline beauty and finds the people of the isles to be more crudely made. Later in the series, we see how events cause her to see this cultural, in-born conceit and what she does about it.

3) Phedre doesn’t share any of the details of her last night with Hyacinthe. After her no-holds-barred descriptions of previous lovers, this scene really stands out as unique. How do you feel about Phedre’s goodbye, and Hyacinthe leaving the spotlight? How do you think Hyacinthe will keep himself occupied in his new life — will he create a network on the island like he did on Night’s Doorstep, spying on the affairs of the world?

This is one of the things I really like about Carey’s  writing. She doesn’t toss in sex scenes just for the sake of sex and Phedre & Hyacinthe on the Island is a prime example. I think it was very sweet for these two friends who might have become more to have a tender goodbye.

While I have always liked Hyacinthe, I never really felt the book was about him. Quite frankly, I have always been OK with him leaving the spotlight. For this book, his character arc feels complete to me. He gave Phedre a safety net with his undemanding friendship, used his gifts to save Terre D’Ange, felt heartbreak of his own, and knew before Phedre did that he would be spending the rest of his foreseeable life on an island. It’s harsh, but it serves a deep purpose for the plot.

And, yes, I totally expect him to learn to use the big water bowl to spy on things back home.

4) When Phedre’s addressed as “Delauney’s Whore” by Ghislain de Somerville, everyone around Phedre draws a blade to defend her honour. Was it an over-reaction, or a fitting sign of Phedre’s new rank in society? How much has Phedre’s self-confidence evolved through the story: back to when she was an orphaned she often called herself a “whore’s get”, and later she called herself Delauney’s whore quite comfortably. This time, she’s as quick to correct Ghislain as her companions are.

I think it is awesome to see how Phedre’s station in life changes as she takes on more and more responsibilities and tasks. The D’Angelines as a whole don’t seem to judge a person by their past so much as what they are doing right now. De Somerville hasn’t seen Phedre in action until now and anything he heard about her deeds he could have easily chalked up to rumors or exaggerations.

I love how Phedre herself is finally comfortable with thinking of herself as something more than a whore or even a whore’s unwanted get. This is probably because she is no longer whoring ( to put it crudely) but rather has larger goals in mind. She isn’t simply trading her services to earn a marque or for a  night’s lustful pleasure. She is trying to safe a country, perhaps even two.

5) We’ve nearing the end of the story, and it’s been a heart-breaking ride this week, so let’s step back and look at the wider world of Terra d’Ange. If you were part of the Court of Night-Blooming Flowers, which house which you end up in? Have you changed enough from your childhood self that it would it be different from the House that raised you? (A quick list of the houses, their motto and values can be found here.)

This is an awesome question! I think Dahlia House (Upright and Unbending; dignity) might have been my childhood house. I was pretty demanding on myself even as a kid, always wanting to take on things my way. Some refer to me as a once very bossy kid. Now I would choose Orchis (Joy in Laughter; humor) as I seem to find humor in most things, even if it is a little twisted. My husband use to be alarmed at how much I laugh in bed, but quite frankly, a great orgasm is a breathtakingly awesome thing that makes me laugh in pure joy. Ever since I explained this to him, he strives to make me laugh all the more often! ;)

6) Moving even further beyond the Court of Night-Blooming Flowers, where this all began, and into the wide world: if you could belong anywhere in this world, where would you be? Sunning yourself in exotic Persian-inspired Khebbel-im-Akkad, fighting in rainy Alba, or harsh Skaldia, sleeping in front of crackling fires on a pile of warm furs? Would you be roaming in the Long Roads with the Tsingano, a scion of the Night’s Court, a player in the theatre or a pub landlord on Night’s Doorstep? Where would you like to be most, out of everywhere, and where would you absolutely *hate* to be stuck in?

Another awesome question. We don’t really venture into Khebbel-im-Akkad in this series, though I am always intrigued by it. I think I would most like to be at Perrinwolde, where Phedre learned how to ride. It’s out in the country, but still close enough to visit the big city and get more books. Later in the series, there is one other place I might want to call home but I will save that for future discussions.

I think I would hate being on the Long Road with the Tsingani. I need roots. We moved all the time as a kid and I really hated it and I feel it left a void in my life. I don’t have a home town nor childhood friends as we never lived anywhere longer than 4 years. So, I need a place to call home. I wouldn’t mind a few weeks travel with the Tsingani, but I would not like to travel all the time.

Other Tidbits

I like how Phedre’s Boys teach the warriors of Alba and Eire the new marching tune!

I like Phedre’s take on makeup – a little goes a long way.

Rousse has a pair of big brass balls! He called the Master of the Straights on his harsh BS more than once in this section.

Graine’s condolences over loosing Hyacinthe to the island were quite simple and nice. Sometimes when I struggle to think of what to say over someone’s loss, this scene springs to mind and I find words easier to come by

My question for everyone: Who would like to do a readalong of Book 2?

Participating Bloggers:

Celine at Nyx Book Reviews
Jenn at Morrison Girl
Kheya at Not Food Porn
Susan (me) at Dab of Darkness

Kushiel’s Dart – Part VIII

Heldig and a very good book

Heldig and a very good book

Hello everyone! Welcome to the read along of Jacqueline Carey‘s Kushiel’s Dart. You can find the schedule HERE. Anyone and everyone is welcome to join in. We also have a Goodreads group for SF/F read alongs. Folks are always welcome to join us.

This week, Lynn from Lynn’s Book Blog is your host this week. Leave a link to your post in the comments so we can all visit you. Folks are also most welcome to answer any and all questions in the comments and join in the conversation.

So just an FYI for next weekend (July 4th). I will be working an event out of state and I don’t know yet what my internet access will be, so if I post late (like Mon. or Tues.), it’s because I was busy, tired, didn’t have internet access, or all of the above.

Chapters 64-73 are covered below. If you haven’t read the book, there will be spoilers for these chapters.

1.  We finally go sailing and everything seems to be going so well that we were lulled temporarily into a false sense of security!  Sailors are a superstitious bunch, throwing coins to the Lord of the Deep, for example.  What did you make of the Master of the Straits?  Any similarity to other myths or legends?

When I first read this, I thought this must be some sort of ocean deity, but other than Ariel’s dad in Disney’s The Little Mermaid and Greek mythology, I didn’t have too many references. I have been land locked most of my life, so not too many ocean myths and and such in my life. Since my first read, I have read a lot more mythology mash up stories and I can better appreciate what Carey has done here. Here, the Celtic god Manannan mac Lir might be the closest. Next section we learn more.

I really love that Phedre paid their passage with a Skaldi hearth song. It was oddly fitting.

2. Hyacinthe plays a much larger role in this instalment and has come into his own, plus given a new title – ‘Waking Dreamer’.  His travels so far have been very bitter sweet and you really do feel for him.  Bearing that in mind what did you make of the strange dream that Breidaia had where she saw Hyachinthe on an island – this was skimmed over a little but did it give you pause for thought.  Do you have any ideas of what’s in store for our Waking Dreamer?

This being a reread, I know the answer. But honestly, my first time reading this I totally missed this strange dream. After all, there were both old and new prophesies or visions being tossed around a lot in this section.

I do like that Hyacinthe had such an integral role in this section. He’s been a fun character, but a side character. Last week’s and this week’s sections really fleshed him out. Also, as Phedre does, I kind of ache to Anastazia knowing that she probably saw somewhat of what was to come for Hyacinthe.

3. You have to hand it to Ysandre for choosing Phedre as Ambassador.  It seems her strange talents come in very useful indeed.  What did you make of her tactics and powers of persuasion?

Well, Phedre was using the skills she has at her disposal. She was spot on with Duc de Morbhan (spelling?), guessing his deepest desires correctly. Yet she was also cautious enough to have a priestess witness the contract. Then when it came to the twins, she had to have it pointed out to her by Graine that she now had the key to push her brother into the desired decision. So I like that she isn’t totally use to thinking of how to manipulate people, even for a  good cause.

Also, I find it totally believable. If you could experience a night of sexual bliss with a highly trained, experiences, and skilled lover that you found desirable in many ways, what would you give? After all, these folks only have limited adult entertainment, and extremely limited once you get out of Terre D’Ange.

4. We finally meet Drustan. He at first seems like an unlikely match for Ysandre and yet they both seem to have a shared vision.  Can they make it work do you think?  They have so many differences even if they do succeed in battle?

When I first read this, I really didn’t know how Carey was going to let this play out. We already have one pair of star-crossed romantically entangled yet arguing couple (Joscelin and Phedre) and to add another…. I just wasn’t sure. After all, we haven’t seen Ysandre and Drustan together yet and I think their chemistry, or lack of it, will tell the readers much more. As for their shared political dream, sure, that all sounds well and good. Plus is allows the women to hold some power in world where male rulers are the status quo.

5. Can we discuss the Dalriada and the Cruithne – do they put you in mind of any particular races?  What do you make of them??

Definitely the Celtic races. I love that the women can go off to battle and the men don’t count it as odd. I also love that the women can take what lovers they like and raise their kids with love no matter the father. I’m glad to see that their fighting techniques vary from the Terre D’Ange highly organized methods. Not every culture is going to approach battle the same way, no matter how logical.

6. I’m puzzled about Joscelin – he’s always so severe on himself, particularly after the battle and Moiread’s death.  I wonder why he blames himself so much – and I also wonder how he’s coping with watching Phedre’s actions – in particular her closeness to Hyacinthe.

Once again, Joscelin has been isolated in the Casseline Order for much of his life. He never thought he would have to deal with the pangs of jealousy or even (possibly) love. He probably thought sooner or later he would have to deal with the death of someone he was protecting, yet this was the first time that has ever happened to him. Also, I expect that had he been charged with protecting Moiread, as he is charged with protecting Phedre, he would have seen her death as Cassiel himself turning his back on him. The Casselines are a very stiff bunch and I highly suspect that failure is not tolerated.

Phedre and Joscelin have not talked much about their one night together nor what either of them wants from the other. Phedre may well feel like it isn’t her place to tempt or seduce Joscelin, trying her best in her way to respect his vows. Joscelin on the other hand has zero experience with women and matters of the heart so I expect he hasn’t worked out what he wants long term. Perhaps he is hoping his feelings will fade with time.

7. Finally, we’re working ourselves up for the grand finale – do you have any predictions as to how this will all pan out?

So we have 2 more weeks to go and plenty of stuff to fill them! The new readers are in for a treat! We have to get at least Phedre and Joscelin back to Terre D’Ange, but it would be very nice if they could take a fighting force with them. The Master of the Straights was a pill before, so I expect Rousse will be wary of him on the return trip.

Then there is finding out what all is going on in Terre D’Ange and getting everyone to Ysandre’s forces without causing a stir, or at least, losing too many fighters. Also, I very much doubt that Melisande is one to sit around and just wait for things to unfold. If she isn’t actively doing something now while Phedre and Joscelin are in Alba, then she has multiple plans ready to spring based on what happens.

Then we don’t know to whom the Duc de Morbhan is loyal. If he told Melisande, or just some of her informant network, then things could be afoot in Terre D’Ange already.

Other Tidbits

I’ve always wondered if the Master of the Straights would have granted Rousse and his ships safe passage if they had sailed directly for Alba instead of trying to avoid the Master’s territory and sneak by.

Joscelin’s fighting prowess was on full display once again. I love the way his fight scenes are described.

Phedre’s conversation with Joscelin about his temper and how good it feels to give in to it, even if he knows he will be beaten, etc. was very interesting.

I wanted to shake Drustan’s hand to pointing out to  Joscelin that he was over-stepping his bounds in his excessive self-hate concerning the death of Moiread. No one charged or asked Joscelin to protect Drustan’s family.

Whenever I read this section I am always surprised how quickly Hyacinthe falls into (the beginnings of) love with Moiread.

Participating Bloggers:

Celine at Nyx Book Reviews
Jenn at Morrison Girl
Kheya at Not Food Porn
Susan (me) at Dab of Darkness

Kushiel’s Dart – Part VII

Heldig and a very good book

Heldig and a very good book

Hello everyone! Welcome to the read along of Jacqueline Carey‘s Kushiel’s Dart. You can find the schedule HERE. Anyone and everyone is welcome to join in. We also have a Goodreads group for SF/F read alongs. Folks are always welcome to join us.

This week, Nancy from FaeStruck Reviews was the scheduled host. Unfortunately, she couldn’t do so. So, I  am your host this week. Leave a link to your post in the comments so we can all visit you. Folks are also most welcome to answer any and all questions in the comments and join in the conversation.

Chapters 55-63 are covered below. If you haven’t read the book, there will be spoilers for these chapters.

1) What do you think of the over all connection between the Casseline Brotherhood and the Yeshuites? Are you happy with where the shaggy pony ended up?

Here we see how the author connects the characters to the world us readers know in one more way. There’s two themes about these books that I really appreciate – consent and respect. Phedre, and it seems most D’Angeline, try to respect non-D’Angeline deities wherever they find them. I think that respect is because the tales of their own deities are interwoven with these other religions. It’s really quite beautiful because it brings people together instead of being divisive.

I love that the brave shaggy pony got a home with two girls for company.

2) Phedre & Hyacinthe have a happy reunion. What do you make of Joscelin’s reaction? Do you miss Hyacinthe’s mother?

Joscelin is definitely having a lot of emotions. I think he and Phedre haven’t really talked about whether or not they, indeed, have an intimate relationship. Now that he sees her with Hyacinthe, he may feel that it isn’t his place to step in and come between things. Also, at this point in the story, he is still part of the Casseline Brotherhood.

I do miss Hyacinthe’s mom. I think she would have had wisdom to share with Phedre about all the crap she just went through.

3) Yet another happy reunion occurs with Thelesis de Mornay, the King’s Poet, who gets them in to see the Dauphine, Ysandre.  Do you think there was another way to seek her audience? Such an intense meeting! What stood out the most for you?

Every time I read this book, I always think they are going to use the super secret through the mirror back door path that Phedre took note of when she accidentally spied on Delaunay and Ysandre. But that obviously doesn’t happen.

Two moments really hit me on this one: 1) When Ysandre finally realizes that they are telling the truth (after the guard verifies that they were seeking an audience those few months ago) and realizes in the same moment that she has to deal with treason and invasion. 2) When Phedre refused the pardon as it would reveal to the baddies that the now-Queen has some info that she didn’t before. Huge sacrifice by Phedre and Joscelin.

4) Phedre makes a trip to the temple of Kushiel to make atonement. Do you agree that she had things to atone for?

First, I love that the priest in Joscelin pointed out this simple truth to Phedre. She accepts Elua and Namaah and pays them homage. But she has been struggling against Kushiel these many months, feeling wretched over the gifts he has given her (such as being able to take pleasure in Gunter’s and Selig’s beds).

So I don’t know if atonement is the right word, as it always strikes me as pretty grave. But I guess you can do atonement for small slights, especially when a god is involved. Either way, Phedre felt better afterwards and I think she is more accepting of herself, the deities’gifts in her life, and her larger role.

5) After King Ganelon’s death, at the hunting lodge we learn some more politics. What stood out for you? We learned more about the Picti and the prophesy. Should the fate of Terre D’Ange be resting, even partially, on the validity of a prophesy of love and union?

Concerning the politics, I think Barquel L’Envers just might be tough enough to take a troop up into the Skaldi mountains in the heart of winter and find Gunter’s stedding to ask him what he thinks of his ex-slaves. ;)

The young lady in me desperately wants to believe in true love, sight unseen, and the union of two lands, despite the Master of the Straights. But the first time I read this, I thought there was no way that was going to happen. I thought Phedre might succeed in bringing some Pictish force back with her, but then Ysandre’s betrothed would be cruel or uninterested or foppish to would die.

6) The Casseline Prefect forbids Joscelin from serving Phedre as protector as she travels to the Pictish lands. Joscelin had to make a hard choice: did he make the right one?

Such a tough thing! Now, since I wasn’t raised in the Casseline Brotherhood, or any other strict order or religion, I automatically feel that Joscelin did make the right choice. It so cannot be healthy to be raised to have such a narrow view of the world, a narrow view of what is right or wrong. On the other hand, without the Casseline Brotherhood, we wouldn’t have Joscelin in all his fighting glory. Plus, that is pretty much the only life he has known since he entered the order at age 10. It must have been with a heavy heart that he made Cassiel’s Choice.

7) Hyacinthe comes up with the plan to get them to the coast and meet with Royal Admiral Quintilius Rousse. Do you like the fake IDs? Do you think they will make it unscathed?

I really like the idea of Joscelin as a Mendicant (spelling?) telling stories in his multicolored cloak. I forget if we get to hear how a Mendicant came by Casseline arms. By the way, it was very nice of Ysandre to get Joscelin’s family arms back to him.

Traveling that great a distance, the 3 of them together, and leaving off where we know Melisande is in the crowd…. No, I expect that getting to Rousse will be fraught with danger and one or all will have to lose something.

8) Hyacinthe meets his grandfather, Manoj, for the first time. Happy? Sad? How do you feel about how his mother was cast out?

What a mix of feelings! Hyacinthe learns that his mother was telling the truth about birthright all this time. He believed her, but to see it true must be a little bit of a shock. Then to learn how his mother lost her honor and became the outcast – AND learn that his grandfather had not known the full truth of it either! Argh! It really makes me want to slap folks – mostly those who uphold this idea that women become somehow less by having, let alone enjoying, sex. If Hyacinthe’s mom was still alive, I would want her set high in the kumpania, perhaps even equal to Manoj (if the patriarchal society could stomach it). But she’s dead. So I am not sure this wrong can be made right even with Hyacinthe being welcomed into the kumpania.

Other Tidbits

It was so very nice of Ysandre to arrange for Phedre to have her marque completed. I was sad to hear that the tattooist’s apprentice died in the plague.

So not to pick on Hyacinthe and the dromonde, but any human lying incapacitated, weak and enfeebled, for 3 days without food & water will most likely die. Probably didn’t need the dromonde to guess that.

It was very cool of Ysandre to share her father’s journal with Phedre. It shows a great measure of trust.

Participating Bloggers:

Celine at Nyx Book Reviews
Jenn at Morrison Girl
Kheya at Not Food Porn
Susan (me) at Dab of Darkness

Kushiel’s Dart – Part VI

Heldig and a very good book

Heldig and a very good book

Hello everyone! Welcome to the read along of Jacqueline Carey‘s Kushiel’s Dart. You can find the schedule HERE. Anyone and everyone is welcome to join in. We also have a Goodreads group for SF/F read alongs. Folks are always welcome to join us.

This week, Grace at Books Without Any Pictures is your host. Head on over there & leave a link to your post in the comments so we can all visit you. Folks are also most welcome to answer any and all questions in the comments and join in the conversation.

Chapters 46-54 are covered below. If you haven’t read the book, there will be spoilers for these chapters.

1) One of the questions from last week dealt with initial impressions of Waldemar Selig’s steading.  Now that we’ve finally met him, what are your thoughts about him?  Do you think he suspects that Phedre knows anything, and will he continue to play a role in the story?

Waldemar Selig is a man who can walk with one boot in his native homeland and one wandering. He understands his people and yet has some understanding of the bigger world and deep hunger to explore it. I also think he is a bit ruthless and willing to sacrifice what he must to obtain his goal. Phedre may entertain him in bed and look pretty kneeling in the corner, but I don’t doubt that he would hesitate to kill her if he felt she was a threat.

I don’t think he suspects her of knowing anything specific, not unless Melisande has somehow cautioned him about her wit and training. He was definitely peeved when she escaped (as witnessed by all the men he spared to fetch her back or kill her), and that alone with the basic info he knows she witnessed (like all the Thanes in one place for a war meeting) would be enough to wish her dead.

Since this is a reread for me I will say that Waldemar’s machinations are not over.

2) What did you think of the visit to Lodur?  Do you think it will impact how Phedre thinks of herself?

Lodur is an interesting shaman or healer. I loved his little bit in this book, especially his story about his eye and how the gods can’t be bribed! Ha!

In such a short amount of time he gives Phedre much to think about. Along with his little insight into the gods and bribery, he also called her a weapon of the gods due to her Kushiel’s Dart. I  don’t think anyone other than Delaunay perhaps has thought of Phedre as a weapon or as a dangerous person. In a later conversation with Joscelin, she says she should show Melisande which throws truer – Kushiel’s Dart of Kushiel’s scion. Definitely the Dart.

Then Lodur gives her wicked grin practically asks for a kiss, and then chuckles at Phedre’s blush. I did enjoy the old man and I hope he survives the forthcoming battles/war.

3) Phedre and Joscelin have both gone through some harrowing experiences in the past few chapters.  How do you think it will change them going forward?

The one that stood out for me was Phedre nearly being raped while heading to Gunter’s camp to say her farewells. This wasn’t a private session in Gunter’s or Waldermar’s bedchamber. No, it was bare bottom’s up in the middle of the camp! Phedre does a really good job of imparting to the reader that in Terre D’Ange rape is not just illegal but sacrilege. That takes consent to a whole new level. I expect Phedre will add more caution to her life in the future.

Then of course Joscelin wades in to save her where Knut (or Harald?) and Waldemar have already done so and gets his head knocked senseless. Once again he ends up in chains, locked in a tiny hut. He bemoans the fact that he killed once again. And again, Phedre has to shame him into seeing the reality of the situation. I loved her line about writing his Prefect and telling him that the gods were better served by a whore of the Night Court. And she was right. Joscelin is really having to reassess everything he has been taught about right and wrong.

4) If you were in Phedre or Joscelin’s place, would you have acted the same way in crafting your mastermind escape plan?  What are your thoughts on how it worked out?

Of course, I would have wanted a bit more time. But Phedre and Joscelin felt they didn’t have it. I really liked how the author reflected this in Phedre’s lack of getting a tent.

If I were masterminding an escape, I would wait until I could find some poisonous plants. In the meantime, I would work my way around to having kitchen duty a few times a week, so that when I do have my poisonous plants I could, with little trouble, administer my brew to the whole bunch at once. Even if it just made half the warriors ill, I would have a better chance of escape.

Alas, Phedre and Joscelin may not have had until spring. Waldemar was already looking a little slant-eyed at Phedre after Lodur’s comments about her being a weapon. Joscelin was in trouble with no real sign he would be out of it any time soon. So I think they did the best with what they had.

5) We’re finally getting to observe a budding romance between Phedre and Joscelin.  How do you see this playing out?  What do you think of it?

This being a reread, I know where this goes. So let me just say that Phedre and Joscelin are one of my favorite hero couples exactly because they are so complicated, individually and together.

That scene, in the cave of Elua, was breath taking.

Other Tidbits

Waldemar and his Troi Milles Joies. I really like how the author leaves much up to the readers imaginations here. Phedre doesn’t really describe any of the positions or acts, other than a little with the Rutting Stag, but I like how she makes comments along the lines of everything except those acts a Skaldi man deems unmanly. Of course, I m very curious as to what those acts would be!

Joscelin had to kill a White Brother, unprovoked. Essentially murder. I felt for him, but I also noted the need. Same with Phedre when she had to kill Harald, though I did feel a bit more for her since she was never trained in the how (mentally, emotionally, or physically) of killing.

Did anyone else ache for the lost horses during Phedre’s and Joscelin’s flight?

Participating Bloggers:

Celine at Nyx Book Reviews
Jenn at Morrison Girl
Kheya at Not Food Porn
Susan (me) at Dab of Darkness

Kushiel’s Dart – Part V

Heldig and a very good book

Heldig and a very good book

Hello everyone! Welcome to the read along of Jacqueline Carey‘s Kushiel’s Dart. You can find the schedule HERE. Anyone and everyone is welcome to join in. We also have a Goodreads group for SF/F read alongs. Folks are always welcome to join us.

This week, Igret’s Corner is your host. Head on over there & leave a link to your post in the comments so we can all visit you. Folks are also most welcome to answer any and all questions in the comments and join in the conversation.

Chapters 37-45 are covered below. If you haven’t read the book, there will be spoilers for these chapters.

1) In this section we see Melisande betraying Delaunay and Phedre. Did you see this coming? Why or why not? Also, what do you think Melisande’s highest loyalty is to?

I remember being thoroughly surprised by this betrayal the first time I read this. I knew Melisande was dangerous, but I could also see she had some deep fondness for Delaunay. During that first reading, I thought that if she were to ever betray Delaunay, it would be giving up one of his secrets from his past, maybe publicly humiliating him, or taking something from him that he valued (like Phedre). So when he and Alcuin end up dead, I was in shock, right alongside Phedre and Joscelin.

After several readings, that scene still is like a punch to the gut.

At the time, I couldn’t tell if her loyalty was to whoever/whatever could give her  power or perhaps money, which is a form of in dependency.

2) We see Phedre sold into slavery by Melisande and D’Anglemort. How is slavery different than being a bond servant, how is it the same?

This is a really good question and I think Jacqueline Carey does a really good job of showing us the differences and similarities.

Slave: Property to be cared for, or not, sold, or not, fed, or not, killed, or not. There may or may not be a way out of slavery that is recognized by the society.

Bond Servant: Essentially under a really long contract here certain behaviors and actions are not allowed unless there is mutual consent. You can work off your mark and earn true freedom with a place in society.

We see with both Phedre and Joscelin that they maintain their pride in their work whether at Delaunay’s or Gunter’s stedding. The theme of consent is strong throughout this entire series. And here for the first time, Phedre has to lie with a man without her consent. Even though her body responds with an orgasm, and she is not physically hurt by the encounter, she still has to work through the psychological side to being raped. I think she did quite well. Also, since she has this larger problem (staying alive and escaping somehow), I think  that helped to come to terms with the situation quickly.

3) Hedwig’s treatment of Phedre is not what Phedre expected. What does her behavior tell us about Skaldi women?

I really like Hedwig. She doesn’t sugar-coat the facts, but she does give Phedre what kindness her station and culture allow. Once Phedre goes to Wldemar’s  All-Thing, she notices that not all Skaldi women run as tight a ship as Hedwig.

And I wish Hedwig had slapped Elsa a lot sooner! Alas, even Hedwig can’t control all the idiots in her stedding.

4) Joscelin initially hates Phedre for not attempting to run, yet ultimately chooses to stay with her. What does this say about Joscelin and his views of Cassiel?

Even when Phedre begs Joscelin to escape (with her help) he refuses, stating that Cassiel did not care for kings and countries, but for Elua himself. So, he stays. I would give Joscelin a 50/50 chance of making it to the Skaldi/Terre D’Ange border, for certainly Gunter would send some of his men after him, on horseback as a point of pride. While it would still be a sound decision for Joscelin to make the attempt, we would have less excitement as the reader.

5) Phedre says that Guntersville raid reminded her that she was with the enemy. Do you think that prior to the raid she had developed Stockholm syndrome? What about life in the stedding made her complacent?

Perhaps. I am not sure it is an exact fit as Phedre’s abductor was Melisande, and perhaps D’Anglemort. Then she was sold to the Skaldi, and specifically Gunter. I am sure there is a psychological term somewhere for bonding with, or becoming sympathetic with, your owner.

First, I think she became complacent because she has been raised to serve, and they asked her to serve. This was a comfortable role to take on. Even though she never consented to be Gunter’s bedwarmer, that too is a known role to her. Plus, no one did her physical harm and the ladies treated her with respect and care. Add to that, Phedre and Joscelin want to be seen as a zero threat and a zero flight risk. So, they  need to adapt and blend in as slaves as much as possible for their plans of escape to ever work.

6) Joscelin brakes his vows during the holmgang.  Do you think he should have or not? What do you think the repercussions will be?

I thinks it’s a grey area on whether or not he broke his vow. As Phedre points out, if he didn’t do this thing, then he wouldn’t be alive to keep Phedre safe. Knowing Joscelin, I doubt he will believe that 100% and will probably kick himself the rest of his life over it.

I think Joscelin was maneuvered into a confrontation by Dumb Ass Skaldi (what was his name again?) and then Gunter saw the opportunity for three things: 1) Entertainment for the stedding; 2) To see what Joscelin is capable of; and 3) To possibly get rid of an obnoxious warrior. With all that in mind, I don’t think Joscelin would have done much differently. I am totally fine with his choice.

Joscelin, like Phedre, was raised in strict service. But in Joscelin’s case, he was raised by an order and kept isolated from the larger society. Phedre was raised in a big, bustling city, with several cultures and viewpoints. So Joscelin is having major growing pains as he tries to hold onto these rather strict life rules, ones he could easily practice among the order in isolation,  and apply them to the real world. I expect to see more of Joscelin’s boundaries pushed.

7) We see Waldemar Selig’s stedding for the first time, what are your impressions of it?

Waldemar can sure gather the flock in! I noticed Gunter was a bit sad to be assigned one of the smaller meeting houses for the All Thing. I like that there are bathing houses! Hooray! It makes it easier to picture the sex scenes if I know everyone is clean. ;)

So we also see that some of the other Skaldic ladies aren’t as nice towards Phedre as Hedwig and her ladies have been. Perhaps Joscelin will come across the same behavior with other Skaldic men.

Other Tidbits

Phedre describing, after the fact, her torture at the hands of Melisande makes me want to smack something. Also, it shows that Phedre isn’t just fluff.

After her first bedding by Gunter, she returns to the main hall and the fireplace and has a good sob over Delaunay’s and Alcuin’s death. I found this  scene very poignant especially since she refuses to say in Skaldi why she is crying. I am sure the Skaldi had several ideas as to why she was so upset.

When Joscelin got in Gunter’s face when Gunter was about to head out to the raid and he wanted a kiss from Phedre, I was so tense! But Joscelin handled it well with a quiet word, and asking instead of demanding. This book taught me how those two things can work to get you what you need/want way more than a loud bluster or a  stomping foot, and maintain cordial relations.

Gunter actually asked for sex lessons! I thought that was a very nice touch.

Participating Bloggers:

Celine at Nyx Book Reviews
Jenn at Morrison Girl
Kheya at Not Food Porn
Susan (me) at Dab of Darkness