The Lies of Locke Lamora Part III

LynchLiesOfLockeLamoraWelcome everyone to the read along of Scott Lynch’s Gentlemen Bastard series. Anyone is welcome to join us over at our GoodReads Group! Check out the info at the end of the post.

This week’s hosted by Wendy at The Bibliosanctum. We’re covering the third section noted below, so beware of spoilers if you have not read that far. I’m doing the audiobook version (which is awesome) but I apologize now for any misspellings of names and such. This is actually my second read along of the book and a third reading of the book.

1. Camorr is clearly a man’s world. One of the three female characters who could hold any sway was cruelly fridged, while another remains notably absent. Will Sabetha swing in to save or seize the day? What are your thoughts on Donã Vorchenza’s role?

First, I don’t think of Camorr as a man’s world. We have seen women in nearly all the roles – priests, street fighters, guards on both sides of the law. We have the Berangia sisters, the mother-daughter team on Black Alchemy row, etc. Very few of these women are placed in any romantic sense – the prostitute (sort of), Sabetha (kissing Locke we all are lead to believe), and the conned man’s wife and even then, they have more depth than the average passing love interest in the fantasy genre. So, I wouldn’t place this fantasy in with all the other numerous fantasy books that minimize female characters.

That said, I was little crushed when Nazca was taken out of the picture so early on.

When I first read this book, yes, I really hoped that Sabetha would come in at the end and help make things right. There’s so much build up about her and mystery around her storyline.

Everyone should have a great auntie Vorchenza. She’s awesome. I love her critique of the candied cookie house her chef insisted on making for her. At her age,  she’s still very spry and a little mischievous.

2. Apprenticeships, fighting, farming–the Gentlemen Bastards have undergone some significant training (save for physiking!) and testing. What do you think of Chains’ teaching methods? Do you think he adequately prepared them for their future in Camorr?

I think Chains is giving them as many tools as possible. Their various apprenticeships will help the remaining few blend in and disappear  – or get close to their enemies and annihilate them. Chains gave them a safe base of operations, and they no longer have that. So now, more than ever, they will have to rely on all they have learned – from  butchering farm animals to certain rites of the various priesthoods. I think Chains’s training will allow them to leave Camorr more easily if they so choose.

3. Pour out a forty for those lost. Share your thoughts on the passing of the Bastards and Barsavis.

Wow. Several hard scenes here. When Bug, Jean, and Locke returned home to find it ransacked and the twins dead, that was tough. But then when Bug basically sacrifices himself for Jean and Locke, that was even tougher. Locke is so going to need therapy for this.

When the remaining Barsavis were taken out, it was dramatic and a game changer, but I was not attached to any of them (other than Nazca who was taken out a few days earlier).

4. Everything in this book has been a series of long cons. Do you think taking the Capa’s throne is the end game for the Grey King? Or is there still more in store?

We still have ~100 pages to go, so I expect we’ll see more. The first time I read this, I wasn’t sure if Jean and Locke would be able to do anything about the new Capa Raza (Grey King)  at this time or if that show down would happen in Book 2. But I knew something would happen, and probably something significant because we have so much left of the book and I felt the author would want to top what we had just witnessed with something more.


Other Tidbits:

I like how everyone is so polite to those folks who are in charge of operating the lifts for the towers.

Jean is rather a worried hen over Locke when he is sick or injured. It’s quite endearing how protective he is of the smaller man.

I have donkeys, so I can  attest to the disgustingness of equine piss. There’s sometimes more solid, jelly like bits in it too. I feel very sorry for both Nazca and Locke. But, as a side note, I do have to wonder who collected all the horse piss and how?  How much do you pay for a barrel of horse piss?

Wraithstone and the Gentled beasts of burden – messed up or practical?

Ok, that creepy hand thing that has Jean’s name stitched into it – totally wrong! I would hate to fall foul of such a trap.


Info on the Read Along

Here’s the schedule:

Wk1 / 7th April: Prologue and Book 1, hosted by There’s Always Room for One More
Wk2 / 14th April: Book 2, Ch 4-6, hosted by There’s Always Room for One More
Wk3 / 21st April: Book 2 Ch 7-8 and Book 3, hosted by Wendy at The Bibliosanctum
Wk 4 / 28th April: Book 4 and Epilogue, hosted by Over the Effing Rainbow

You can catch the weekly questions and links to folks’ weekly posts over at our GoodReads group SF/F Read Alongs. Have a look  around and you’ll see we have other upcoming SFF read alongs planned. As always, you’re welcome to be lurker, a commenter, or do your post.

10 thoughts on “The Lies of Locke Lamora Part III”

  1. Oh my. I’d never stopped to think about how you collect a barrel of piss. Or in this case, two. Pretty big barrels too.



    I’m totally with messed up for Gentling. I see it’s practicality, but it turns the Gentled creature into a great big hole in reality. It’s physically there, but it doesn’t react to anything, doesn’t even eat unless you feed it. That’s all shades of wrong for me. Practicality be damned.

    And the lifts are a wonderful touch, aren’t they? 🙂

    1. The only thing I can come up with is a slated stable where the floor beneath the slates is slightly graded so the piss all flows to one spot. Then perhaps there is a gutter and spout to a barrel.

      1. I don’t know whether to giggle or cringe that we’re trying to work this out 🙂

        …because a slated stable suggests a regular requirement for it. Although that’s not as mad as it sounds – collecting urine was always a thing for the tanneries and the wool industry (lucky fullers). But I think historically this was typically human urine because it’s easier to collect!

        1. That’s a good point. Maybe horse urine is a preference for some tanning or fulling operations…. or maybe it is used in some alchemical process we aren’t privy to. Just what goes into that alchemically enhanced soil where the Ashershalin brandy vines grow?

          Still, seems a waste of a good barrel. Maybe they re-use old disgusting barrels that held something nearly as bad as horse piss previously.

          1. what goes into that alchemically enhanced soil where the Ashershalin brandy vines grow


            Maybe they re-use old disgusting barrels that held something nearly as bad as horse piss previously.

            …this is Camorr. If anywhere is going to have something along the lines of Icelandic putrefied shark, it’s here. It sounds like there might be barrels in that process at some point, and there’s got to be a point where those barrels are so eye-wateringly horrible they can’t be re-used. And we KNOW the Camorri think more of their culinary arts than anything else!

          2. Now that sounds like Camorri cuisine – you’re never sure if they’re trying to kill you on purpose or just flirting with death to make a point about what good cooks they are.

  2. Having women present and in certain accepted roles is one thing, but it’s been made clear that this is a patriarchal society. It’s nice that some of the women we’ve seen have proven themselves enough to be considered for positions of power–ie Capa Barsavi considering having Nazca as his heir, but ultimately his decision is to marry her off without her consent.

    Still, I do agree that as far as the treatment of women go compared to other fantasy series, this isn’t bad. Sad that “well a barrel of horse piss is better than rape, right?” is the standard I am going by here.

    Gentling — what a scary process. Practical for the purposes they serve, but not very humane. I’m wary of this becoming a thing that is used in the future on a human character….

    1. I see your point about women in Camorr, tho Dona Vorchenza looks to be bucking the system. I’ve read the rest of the books in this series, so perhaps my opinion is a bit slanted by what comes later concerning Lynch’s use of female characters. I hope everyone will be happily entertained by the antics and achievements of both genders.

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